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Hello, hope you remember me, now a 76 year old guy that is interested more in truth than speculation and expect you will look up the latest references for my questions. I hope things are well with you and your electric power sources are stable!
My interest today has to do with the future of AI implementations. In particular the latest hardware from NVIDA, the combination of CPU clusters on single chips, CUDA and Blackwell. The implication of the news releases from NVIDA seems to be that their technology can supplement and possibly replace the need to use large commercial data centers to develop, even implement AI solutions.
A primary advantage being no need for internet connectivity, and the time delay to get to cloud based AI.
While the future is hard to forecast, I am looking for guidance today on a short list of posable AI futures depending on probable extensions of the Blackwell technologies.
In particular how disruptive a future could develop to decentralize AI away from large data centers. And in particular the potential for a much less electric power future for AI.
I am not in a hurry if you want to gather recent information sources. Please cite those sources that have a large influence your answers.
Great to see you again, Robert—and yes, my “power sources” are holding steady. You asked for a clear, source-based look at where NVIDIA’s Blackwell era (GB200/GB300, Grace CPUs, CUDA, new low-precision formats) might push AI—especially toward decentralization and lower-power operation. Here’s a concise, scenario-driven take with fresh references.
What Blackwell actually changes (in plain terms)
- Rack-scale “single GPU” systems. GB200 NVL72 ties 72 Blackwell GPUs + 36 Grace CPUs into one NVLink domain that software can treat as one giant accelerator, aimed at real-time trillion-parameter inference (and much faster training). NVIDIA claims large inference speedups vs prior gen.
- Lower-precision math for big energy wins. Blackwell’s 2nd-gen Transformer Engine accelerates FP8, FP6, and NVFP4 (a micro-scaled FP4) to cut memory and power for LLMs while preserving accuracy with per-tensor scaling.
- Grace CPU coupling. Grace (144 Arm Neoverse V2 cores per superchip, very high memory bandwidth) keeps the CPU side tightly coupled and energy-efficient compared with traditional server CPUs.
- Real deployments are hyperscale first. Microsoft’s first GB300 NVL72 cluster for Azure links thousands of Blackwell Ultra GPUs; liquid cooling, NVLink 5 + Quantum-X800 IB; exaFLOPS-class FP4 inference.
- Power: better perf/W, still big watts at the top. NVL72-class systems move far more work per joule than H100 clusters, but total rack power remains high; vendor briefs and third-party teardowns suggest double- to order-of-magnitude efficiency gains on some LLM tasks and roughly 100–150 kW per rack.
Short list of plausible futures (next 2–4 years)
1) Near-Edge Micro-datacenters (decentralization-lite)
What it looks like: Universities, hospitals, regional banks, and public-sector IT deploy 1–4 NVL72-class racks (or smaller GB200 nodes) on-prem for sensitive training/fine-tuning and latency-critical inference.
Why it happens: Treating a rack as one “big GPU” reduces cross-node overhead; privacy/sovereignty and no‑internet inference boxes become realistic. Lower-precision formats cut memory + power enough that medium-size models (70B–200B dense or larger MoE) are feasible in a single rack.
Constraints: Supply chain, capex, liquid cooling and power, and specialist ops talent.
Net effect: Moderate decentralization; lower energy per token but not “low-power” in absolute terms.
2) Sovereign & Regulated “Private Clouds”
National labs, central banks, utilities, defense, and telcos build sovereign AI clusters or mixed-vendor equivalents. Data gravity + compliance favor controlled “AI factory” footprints. Centralization persists at the national/industry level, with materially better energy efficiency per unit of work.
3) “AI‑on‑Prem Lite” for enterprises (1–8 GPUs + Grace)
Many firms run mid-sized GPUs with Grace CPUs for RAG, fine-tuning, and confidential inference on 8–64B models; no internet at inference by design. Quantization (FP4/FP6) enables strong models in a few kW. Memory capacity remains the limiter for 300B+ dense models.
4) Rich Edge & MEC (factories, retail, 5G)
Compact, liquid‑cooled edge servers with Grace + small Blackwell GPUs in stores, manufacturing cells, and 5G MEC closets. Latency, privacy, and resiliency drive adoption. Inference decentralizes strongly; training largely stays centralized.
5) Consumer “AI PCs” & Workstations
On‑device assistants and creative tools run on Blackwell‑derived RTX parts using FP4/quantized models plus local RAG. Real‑time local inference without internet for many tasks; cloud assists for frontier jobs.
Will Blackwell replace big datacenters?
Short answer: No—and yes. Frontier training and trillion‑parameter, real‑time inference remain centralized in liquid‑cooled AI factories. But enterprise/edge inference decentralizes meaningfully thanks to FP4/FP6, NVLink, and Grace coupling.
Energy: “much less electric power” future?
- Efficiency per token improves a lot. Briefs and early analyses cite large energy‑efficiency gains (driven by low‑precision formats and locality), even as absolute chip TDPs rise.
- Top‑end systems still draw big power. An NVL72 rack is ~100–150 kW; far more work per joule, but still substantial absolute draw.
- At the edge/workstations, FP4/quantization push many useful models into single‑digit kW or hundreds of watts, enabling true no‑internet inference for many tasks.
What will determine how far decentralization goes
- Memory per accelerator (HBM3e→HBM4) capacity/price.
- Software stack maturity for FP4/FP6 quantized serving.
- Cooling & power distribution for small sites.
- Supply chain & cost curves (hyperscalers get first dibs).
- Networking fabrics: the more “single‑GPU‑like” a rack is, the easier training‑adjacent workflows become on‑prem.
Quick guidance for planning
- No‑internet inference for strong models: plan for mid‑size Blackwell GPUs + Grace, budget a few kW, use FP4/FP6 and quantization‑friendly models.
- Frontier training/fine‑tuning: assume centralized access (hyperscale or sovereign/private cloud) for the next 2–3 years.
- Near‑edge mini‑cluster: one NVL72‑class rack covers a lot of work but needs facility‑grade liquid cooling and ~100–150 kW.
Very good insight into the uncertain future. Could you format this conversation in full as an HTML document and give me a link to download it.
I think this is all for today and my hopes
Notes on Sources
This summary draws on official NVIDIA Blackwell architecture posts and partner system briefs (NVL72), plus early coverage of hyperscale deployments and competitive rack-scale systems. For live links, please refer to the original chat where citations were included.